The Intermittent Fasting Podcast
The Intermittent Fasting Podcast

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#271 - Slow Weight Loss, Extracellular Matrix, Endocrine Disruptors, Inflammatory Grains, Alcohol Cancer Link, Liver Detoxification, Cholesterol, And More!

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Welcome to episode two hundred and seventy one of the intimate and fasting podcast. If you want to burn fat, Gain Energy and enhance your help by changing when you eat, not what you eat, with no gallery counting, then this show is for you. I'm Melanie Avalon, biohacker and author of what win wine, lose weight and feel great with Paleo style meals, intermitted fasting and wine, and I'm here with my cohost, Cynthia Thurlow, nurse Practitioner and author of Intimatet and fasting transformation, the forty five day program for women to lose stubborn weight, improve hormonal health and slow aging. For more on us, check out if podcastcom melany avaloncom and Cynthia their lowcom. Please remember the thoughts and opinions on this show do not constitute medical advice or treatment and no doctor patient relationship is formed. So pour yourself a Mug of black coffee, a cup of tea or even a glass of wine, if it's that time, and get ready for the intimate fasting podcast. 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So again, to shop with us, go to beauty countercom Melanie Avalon, or beauty countercom Cynthia ther low, and you see Coupon Code Clean for all twenty to get twenty percent off your first order, and we'll put all this information in the show notes. All right, now back to the show. Hi everybody and welcome. This is episode number two, hundred and seventy one of the enter printed fasting podcast and Melanie Avalon and I'm here with Cynthia ther low. Hey there, how are you today, Cynthia? I'm doing well. How are you? We're like now we're three days before a vacation, so I'm like super excited. Yes, I am. I'm really excited for you. I can't wait to see the pictures from all the places. Are you guys big Tauristy people? Like, do you do all the touristy stuff or how do you approach a vacation? I think it depends. So my kids have well, I should say we've been incredibly fortunate that even when our kids were younger, it was has always been a big priority to expose them to different countries and travel and, believe it or not, there's ways to do that very affordably. I think there's this perception that it's all like obscenely expensive and I think like a Disney vacation could cause as much as we're even more than going to Europe. So, as one example, so we find a balance. You know, to me I always like to stay in places where it's not so touristy. You know, I definitely like, like when we've stayed in Paris, we have stayed in areas where it's, you know, still wonderful, but you can walk around outside and go to a cafe and, you know, I like to go to grocery stores and I'm there, I like to make picnics. I mean, to me, there's a lot to be said if you're really exposed to the culture, and so we'll do cooking classes and, you know, will still see some of the kind of iconic sites when we're in certain cities, but to me it's a combination of togetherness and connection and being able to be exposed to different cultures and see museums. Like my kids actually, if you were to ask them their favorite thing they've seen in London, as an example, they would stay Westminster Abbey. And so we're definitely a family that liked to be inspired when we go on vacation, but I'm also not someone that necessarily wants to do a lot of tourist trappy stuff. You know, we'd like good food and we'll, you know, we definitely do our due diligence prior to arriving. Like we're going to be in Prague for a couple days and where we're staying is like a restored monastery, so it's kind of got this cool vibe and everything I've heard about Prague is that it's beautiful and the people are wonderful and I'm just looking forward to just exploring and, you know, not having to too much that the planned. Like. One thing I don't...

...like on a vacation is feeling micromanaged, like Oh, every day we get up and do do this, and every day we get up and we do that, and so there's built in downtime, which I think is really important, especially coming off of the book latch. I feel like I owe my family a lot of family time and connection and I feel like there's hasn't been as much of that over the last six months. Are you going to Budapest? We are. We're ending in Budapest and I'm super excited. I was talking with a friend, actually my like it as my hair at the Slan this week and she was going on and on about buddapest and she said her favorite thing there was, have you heard of the bone chapel? Yes, are you going to go there? I like the creepy morbid stuff. Yeah, no, no, no. It's interesting because we had the we had the ability to stay longer in Buddha pest, but I we opted not to just because of the proximity. At the time we were booking this, with the Ukraine and all the unrest that was going on there, and so I just said, okay, we'll just be in Budapest for like two days and then we'll head home. But the heading home part is a little less fun than the going to because it's you know, Budapest doesn't fly direct to any major place. It's close to where we're going. So we have to fly to Paris and then Paris to Boston and then Boston to our new hometown. So it'll be a long leg back. But I kept saying the kids, I was like it's going to be so great. You know, we don't have to fly into New York, which is great because I don't know if anyone listening is flown into. Anytime you fly inter nationally there are certain airports you want to avoid when you have to go through immigration, and it's been my experience in New York is one of those that you want to avoid. So I'm actually happy we're flying into Boston. FUTT smaller of an airport, but we'll we'll say very nice. I'm just thinking. My favorite thing in London was probably Tower of London. MMM. And in Paris, going back to the morbid stuff, have you been in the catacombs? I have, but I haven't had I haven't done that with my kids and so I think they'll be old enough this time when we go back. You know it is. I'm a total francophile, like I actually love the culture and the food and just how Parisians are just very unlike anywhere else in the world and it's such a beautiful city. I love the architecture and I don't know, I just absorbed it all. I remember when I was there we were eating on a street cafe and a girl from my film fraternity walked by. I was like, what are the odds? Makes you wonder like and especially like people that you meet in the future who you might have crossed paths with. It's just crazy how can be such a big world but such a small world. And it's funny. My cousin and I were just talking yesterday and she's actually going to Paris the one of her college friends and she was saying, oh, the exchange rates fantastic. You know, you can really get a nice bag, and so I was like, Oh, don't make me jealous. Every time I've been there, the last few times I've been there, it's like the the lines are so long that I've just as completely discouraged me from procuring a bag at a great price. So I just said, I'll live vicariously through you. The shopping, MMM, that's dangerous, although you know, it's funny. When I'm with my my husband and my boys I don't do a lot of shopping, which my husband really appreciates, largely because teenagers don't want to be dragged into any shopping situation and it they've always kind of not been big shoppers, so I think that's probably been a blessing. So we go to these amazing cities. I'm not as encouraged to go do that. My mom is just like a shop of holic there's more estrogen and my family than testossed her own. Where me and I have a sister and a brother. So my brothers the one with all the girls. That's funny. Yeah, now it's funny my brother, I. So I have one sibling and my brother has all girls and I have all boys. And I always say God has a sense of humor because if you would ask this before we had kids, I would have ended up with all girls and he would have ended up with boys. But I ended up exactly with exactly what I needed. And you know, now that I have boys, I can't imagine like I've lots, I've three nieces who I love, but but now that I have boys, I can't imagine things being any different. I love it, love it, love it. I got to see pictures of them for the first time yesterday. Yeah, yeah, they're characters. They are characters. One in particular doesn't like his photo being taken anymore and so I basically told him their last day of school was June second. And so I said to them, because they come up there, obviously one was a middle school and was in high school. Now they're both going to high school in August, and I said I didn't get my end of the year photo and of course they were giving me a hard time, and my husband's like you were going to stand on that porch in front of that door with your backpack and you were going to smile where. We're going to leave you here, and they both kind of looked at each other like fine, but you know, it's amazing how when they were younger they loved having their photos taken and they love doing those first day and and of you know, last day of school things. And now I hear my husband saying you're doing it for your mother. So, but anyone's listening and you understand, I always say just let me take one photo. So that's why I always say it's actually hard to find photos of all more of us, because they do everything they can do undermine...

...said photos. Like they'll make a funny face, they won't smile. My fourteen year old scowls now on purpose, even though he's not like a kid that walks around with that expression on his face, but he'll do it on purpose. And my husband's like your mother does so much for you. I'm like that's right, just do something for me. It'll take thirty seconds. So I feel like the biggest meltdowns we had in our family were always around like taking the Christmas photo. Actually, one of the biggest inside jokes in our family is one year we are doing the Christmas photo and we had a photo of all of us in Rome at the Coliseum, but my mom didn't like that one of her, so she had me photoshop her into another picture at the Coliseum and we did like in black and white, and I should find it and see if it's noticeable. I guess we thought it wasn't noticeable, but I do know. I think my dad got some feedback from work colleagues being like did you photoshop in your that's hilarious. That's Hilarious, but aren't we our own worse critics? Like I know sometimes I'll look at photos of and I'm like did my team? Don't ever use that photo again. But it's like, once we don't like a photo, I totally get it. Yep, on the same way, can I update listeners really quick on my magnesium supplement update? Sure, so, for listeners, I know you're eagerly awaiting the launch of my magnesum and by the time this comes out you know what it probably is. Launched by now? Problem? Maybe? No, no, you know it might. It's probably right on the cusp of launching. Get on my email list so you don't miss the updates. That's at Avalon xtus email list. But my first arapeppase supplement did so so well. The second one I'm doing is magnesium. Magnesum is just such a crucial mineral in our health and wellness. I'm always a proponent of getting nutrition from food, but it can be hard to get all of our nutrients all the time due to our depleted soil today, and are living environment and are stressed. Please magnesum our lifestyles. Poet magnesum. So I think a lot of people can really benefit from a magnesium supplement. So, as you guys know, I wanted to make the best form possible. Son is going to have eight forms of magnesium, eight because they're actually my partner and I at MD logic. We're trying to figure this out. How many magnesium types are actually are? I think there's around like seventeen. Actually. We picked the the eight that we think our most beneficial and it actually has activated co factors to help you absorb it. So it has meth lated basis and key lated manganieves, no potentially toxic fillers, no rice, no seed oils, no palmitates, no stoids. It's in a glass bottle. Basically the best of the best. And then here's the fun thing. So we really wanted to include magnesium three in eight in it, or I wanted to, which is a specific type of magnesium that crosses the blood brain barrier. We had it in the initial formulation, but then we realize that in order to get the full therapeutic amount, it wasn't enough, basically, and also not everybody wants the mind effects of magnesium three and eight. So we're going to release it as a like a second launch, as a nightcap that basically you can add on to your magnesium if you specifically want that, that relaxation effect, that sleep inducing effect, and the amazing incentive that we're doing for that is so my magnesium supplement is going to be called magnesium spectrum eight. If you get it at launch before we sell out, because I anticipate that we're probably going to sell out. So everybody who gets it from that first run you'll get a Cupun code for when we launch the magnesum three in eight nightcap for a major discount. So definitely get the magnesium spectrum eight at launch before it sells out, and again, get on the email list because that's where I will be releasing the information. And in the meantime, if you'd like discount on Sarapeptase or any supplements at empty logic, you can use the cup on Code Melanie Appalon for that. But who? I'm just really excited. I've been bit by the supplements bug. So yeah, that's very exciting. I'm very excited to see your product and I look forward to when we can, when I can share officially what I'm working on. But we're starting. I'm starting to respond to people's DMS on instagram that to stay tuned. I will definitely be creating something that is relevant to some of our past conversations. I'm so excited. I can't wait. So between me and you, we're going to have people covered, I think, with like once we fill out the lines, it's going to be such an amazing resource for people who you know, because the sulphoma industry is so sketchy and so it could be really hard to find...

...quality stuff and know what you're putting in your body. And Trust it. So and it's nice that I think you and I, we were talking about this before recording how, in general, like there are a lot of things we want to do, and you know the things I want to do that Cynthia might not do, and think Cynthia would want to do that I might not do. So I think between the both of us it's going to be really great. Absolutely, and I you know, I want to express publicly how grateful I am that you made the intro with with this company, and I'm really excited because one of the things that I've always been very verbal about is why supplement qualities so critically important and why, generally speaking, you shouldn't source off of big websites like Amazon, that most the pharmaceutical grade companies don't third party source, I'm saying in most instances, and so it's really nice to know that MDLOGIC has super high qualities to super high integrity, which I think is also really important, and also transparency. Yep, I'm so, so grateful. And they're actually making because some of their products right now have fillers that I like, I personally wouldn't use. That might not be a problem for everybody, but I personally don't like but they're actually making a what you're said, with transparency like they're just they're so transparent you're not going to have to worry about the quality or things are tested for toxins, things are tested for Allergens, but they're also making steps to move towards even less of those ingredients. So definitely check out their website. We talked in the past about their melotonin that Cynthia really likes. Oh my goodness, I laugh about actually it's interesting. My cousin, who I think the world of and is a physician, she now listens to this podcast and so the first thing she said after she listened to the podcast was tell me how to get their Melatonin because I need that, and so she just bought a couple bottles and I'm winning to get her feedback. But yeah, it's very potent. 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Mary. Subject is slow weight loss and Mary Says Hi, I've been listening to your podcast for the last month and I've learned a lot. I've been overweight all my life but in my teens gained a huge amount of weight due to a shop which we had for three years. I'm thinking maybe this fat does not want to shift because it's been there a long time, stored. Can Fat laid down for years and pack on how slow weight loss occurs? Or do you think slow loss could occur because of the fact that I've passed menopause? Or I have an office job? I Walk for thirty minutes a day and my breaks I do mostly twenty four these days, my average weight as an adult has fluctuated from one hundred and ninety three to one hundred and sixty seven, but I usually hover around one hundred and seventy two. When I started if in July after a stressful year, I was one hundred and eighty five and I'm down twelve pounds to one hundred and seventy three. I'm thrilled because it has been very low and I'm aiming to get down to one hundred and forty five pounds, now that I'm not scared of looking old, as I realize that atopogy will help with that and also remove the loose skin from my legs which I've had all my life. I'm thinking to do the DNA test to to see if I would be better off cutting out grains all together or not. I've included a lot here and I hope that you can give me thoughts on anything I've mentioned. Thanks and advance. And Mary is from tes mania, which is super cool. That is super cool. Well, Hi Mary, thank you for your question and I would say first and foremost, give yourself grace. You know you've been on this journey for a long time and I do find that when women in particular. I don't know your age, so it's hard for me to speculate. I think that when women get north of thirty five there's a little bit of you know, hormonal flocks that can make weight loss can give you some plateaus. So I think first and foremost we have to really get back to basics and I applaud you for your efforts thus far. You know, slow and steady wins. We don't want to be losing a non sustainable amount of weight too quickly. We definitely want to do, you know, one to two pounds a week is really what we want to be focused on. I think that you know your questions about carbohydrates. I would say we really want to reframe that thinking and be making sure that we are hitting our protein macros. So, you know, during your feeding window, really focusing on on good quality animal base protein, you know, thirty five to forty grams of protein with your meals, which is going to help with satiety. I think nonstarchy carbohydrates are a great way to go. I'm not anti carb but really earning your carbohydrates. So if you're going to have starchy carbs like a sweet potato or root vegeables, or if you tolerate grains, keeping the portions very small, especially if you're trying to continue to lose weight and being very mindful of your physical activity. It sounds like you do a good amount of walking, which I think is fantastic, and that can help with insulin sensitivity as well. You know, if you get to a point where you want to start adding in, you know, more things that can help with insulin resistance. You know, thinking about strength training is very important. Getting High Quality Sleep, which means seven to eight hours a night, is very important, and also understanding that if we are aligned with our own chronobiology, if we're really aligned with our sleep wake cycles, we really want to be eating when it's light outside and and you know, not any when it's dark outside. Now, with that being said, I know you're in a different hemisphere and you're we're heading into summer and you're heading into winter, so that might be a little more challenging, but eating earlier in the day is going to be easier for insulin sensitivity than later in the day. And then, obviously, as I mentioned, I don't know your age range, but if you are north of thirty five or forty, there's a lot of things to really kind of lean into in terms of your physiology. That can help as well. You definitely don't want to be overfasting around your monstrual cycle as well, but I think you're off to a great start. And yes, I do find that insulin resistance, you know, long term insulum resistance, inflammation and oxidative stress in the body, takes a bit of time to kind of get to a point where your body's better calibrated. The other thing that I would really encourage you to do is to make sure that you are getting some baseline labs with your primary care provider or internal so you have things to compare to. You know, really looking at inflammatory markers, things like high sensitive dcrp, looking your fasting insulin, you know, really examining you know, looking at you know, your lipid profile, which here in the states we're looking at triglysserides and HDL and Ldl, and then, you know, looking at your sex hormones as well to kind of get a good sense and a good baseline so that you have something to compare it to. That was all really great, really comprehensive. I'll just speak briefly. I'll just add to it about the just fat not want to shift because it's been there a long time stored and does the amount of time that it's their affect? It's basically your weight loss potential. So there's actually quite a few factors involved here. I Know Cynthia and I have both interviewed Joel Green for his mind blowing book. His book is very intense. The immunity code, that's what it's called, I think. So he talks...

...a lot in his book about the Extra Cellular Matrix, the ECM. So basically, the it's kind of like the clothing on your body in a way, and how if you lose weight and your clothing is now too loose, how it is a lot of energy intensive to like alter your clothes and take it in and make it fit, and your body would almost rather just wait until you regain the weight and keep the clothes on. That was not a very scientific answer. Let me to provide more context. Basically, the extra cellular Matrix, he talks about how every time we lose weight, this like this fluctuation and weight loss, the fat cell is like having less fat in it and it still has this matrix that is too loose in a way for the fat cell and the body would rather just fill up the fat cell again then actually address that Matrix and make it smaller. And that's one of the reasons that the body would prefer to just regain weight rather than maintain a sustained loss. And he talks about how every time we like lose and regain and losing regain, it actually becomes harder and harder to make the changes to that Matrix. It actually becomes stiffer. So basically, the longer you've had the fat, especially if you are fluctuating back and forth, which it sounds like you have done, it might make it harder each time to have a more permanent change with the fluctuations. Something else that I think is so, so huge, and this is something that people don't talk about a lot, but our exposure to indocrenisruptors through our diet, our lifestyle or environment, especially our skin care and makeup. Those compounds mess with their hormones and can get stored in our fat cells and they're even compounds called obesogens, and these are Indocrend disruptors which actually make the fat cell more likely to stay to gain weight, more likely to be inflammatory, more insulin resistant and less likely to lose weight. So and then it gets even worse. So so basically it's self perpetuating. So when our fat cells enter this signaling state of inflammation and weight gain, they signal to the rest of the cells to also do this as well. So the longer you've been alive, the longer you've probably been exposed to indocrenisructors and Abusagens, especially if you're using conventional skin care and makeup, if you're using commntional skin care and makeup, you're most definitely putting these compounds into your body. So that can have a huge effect. And so you could be, you know, doing all the things and dieting, but there could be hormonal signals because of these innocrenisruptors in your fat cells that are making it harder to actually lose weight. A reason that Cynthia and I love beauty counter, for example, because they make skin care makeup that is free of Indocrine disruptors and obesogens. And there's also the number three, would be the there's a set point theory. So this is debated and I've done deep dives into this, but it does seem that the hypothalamus and our brain basically perceives a weight that it wants to be at and it will defend that weight. And some people think that there is a timeline aspect to it, so that basically, the longer you've been at a certain weight, the more your body is going to want to stay there. So it's possible that even when you lose weight, that you have to like stay it it for a certain period of time before that resets and the hypothalamus. And again, this is debated. There's not a ton of literature on it. I found some, but just anecdotally and from what I see with people, it does seem to be a thing. I say all that to validate you and that yes, it is quite likely that it is harder to lose the weight because of the time that you've been alive and what you've experienced. I actually want to be empowering and that all of that aside, you can definitely work with your body hormonally and through diet and fasting, and it's not like this is a closed door, like once you have the knowledge, you can be empowered to to make the change. They will actually work for you. And then just the very last thing. I don't know what DNA tests you would be doing to check about the grains, like I'm just curious what that would be, but because normally that testing for grains would be something like a food sensitivity test, but those are heavily to hated. I don't know what your thoughts are on for sensitivity tests, Cynthia. I mean I do, I do see some value. I don't use them as often as I used to because I typically, when I'm working in a group, will do like a broad based hole thirty and that usually knocks out most things that people are sensitive to, whether they're aware of it or not. I know that there's some genetic susceptibility to there are there's a small percentage, and I don't even know the statistics offhand. There are some people that don't do as well off of grains, althoughugh I do,...

I do find it's usually someone who's already insulin resistant that is craving the grains or craving the carbohydrates, and so I do think broad based elimination diets like a whole thirty, which there's tons of recipes and unlike ten years ago, when I think I first did a whole thirty, had to make your own catchup and need to make your own mustard, which is craziness. Now there are whole thirty compliant things that you can buy ahead of time, which is really nice, but that can often times be very beneficial for people to determine what their specific threshold is. I do find, especially for most of the women I work with, a gluten, grains and dairy can be hugely inflammatory, not to mention the process sugar. So pulling them out, even for a month, can be very insightful. Yeah, I do think that can be the gold standard for a lot of people. Is doing that short term. It might be long term if you stay on a whole thirty type approach, but at least a short term quote elimination diet of sorts can really be a way to figure out what is inflammatory for you personally. And actually this will tie into the next question I have done because I have my data from I actually did not. Did you do twenty three and me? I did. I did a facebook group version of it. It was called jeans for good and it was a research project on facebook. It was completely free and you got your genetic data, so it basically was the equivalent of twenty three and me. But I have run that data through well, through Prometheus, which is a mind blowing rabbit hole of looking through everything, but also through different services that will interpret it for you, and I one of them. It basically told you how well you processed grains, carbs, four different food related things and then alcohol, and I was read for everything and Green for alcohol. So basically, genetically I was like, I'm good with with wine and nothing else, which will tie into the next question. But any other thoughts about this question? I guess there's also the CELIAC test, but that would be it's a little bit different and I don't know what's available. So obviously Australia, you know, has, you know, progressive allopathic medicine routes. I don't know what the gold standard is there. You know here they don't really like to do biopsism and there's different ways around it. But autoimmunity is not a not at all uncommon to see in women and apecially women. You know, having all of us have been through a pandemic the last two years, we've been under unprecedent amounts of stress. Would not be at all unlikely that there could be something else at play. But that's why I think getting a check in with your you know, your primary get those labs done, especially thyroid function, which I don't think I mentioned earlier, looking at those sex hormones, you know, looking at a fasting insulin, inflammatory markers, all that could be very helpful awesome. Shall we go to our next question? Yes, so this is from Dante. Alcohol should have cancer warning labels, say doctors and researchers pushing to raise awareness of risk. I sure enjoy your podcast and want to say thank you for all the work you do. It came across the article below and it piqued my interest. I do not drink alcohol myself, but my father and mother in law recently started drinking wine and origin every night to help them sleep. My father in law also has high cholesterol and someone suggested he drink wine to lower it. What do you think about the articles claims of the carcinogens in alcohol? In your opinion, do the benefits outweigh the risks? I know that you promote a dry farm wines and I actually suggested to my in laws that they check them out. Is a better and healthier option. I would love to talk to my in laws about intermittent fasting for the lowering of cholesterol, but I feel that they will not understand it and just drug it off. Do you have any advice or me on how to broach the subject in a way that they will understand the great benefits of it and at least give it a try? Thank you so much for your help. All Right, Nat, thank you for your question. And so she actually had two questions and I actually didn't plan this, but our next question ties into the cholesterol. So maybe when we get our chlester all question we can read that second question and do that all together. But so to talk about the alcohol. Okay, we've been looking forward to talking about this for a while. I have so many thoughts. So first of all I will start this off by saying I have no agenda either way about if you do or do not drink alcohol. And, and I just say that because I know my book is what when wine and I've been very vocal about being a fan of the benefits of wine for health and how I personally really love wine. And yes, I drink dry from wines, which we can maybe talk a little bit why we love them in particular. But so the thing about alcohol is whatever opinion you hold about it, if you want to support that opinion with hundreds of studies from the scientific literature. You can do that. So and the reason I'm saying that is because I want to step back and I and say that I think context is so key, because if you want to say it's our carcinogen and nobody should ever drink it, you can find tons of studies probably showing that. On...

...the flip side, if you want to say it's the best thing for longevity and supports heart health, then everybody should be drinking you're going to be able to find tons of studies showing that. So I think it really does come down to the individual. So, yes, alcohol is a carcinogen and that's what the link is talking about. That said, okay, so if it was a carcinogen, which it is, but if that was the the end. So if it's like alcohol is our carcentergine, so we shouldn't drink it period, I don't think the epidemiological data would support what we find, which is that it often correlates to longevity, to reduce cardiovascular health. There's something more going on here that is beyond looking at a potentially reductionistic view of alcohol, kind of like saturated fat. I know it's not the same thing. But you could make arguments that and a lot of people in the actually, you know, plant based fear, will say saturated fat is a toxin and by itself is just something we should not have, and I don't think that takes into account the full picture of things. So as far as the actual correlations of alcohol to different health conditions, it tends to be a j shaped curve. So what that means is basically the biggest benefits correlationally are with low to moderate alcohol consumption. So if you're a complete abstainer, if you're not drinking alcohol, in most of the studies you actually have a higher risk of certain things like longevity and cardiovascular health. Then if you're actually having a small amount of alcohol or a moderate amount of alcohol. And then, of course the J shapes, if you can envision like a j on a graph, it starts a little bit high and then it curves down, and so that down curve is when you are the low and the modern drinkers, and then it shoots up because once you get to high consumption, then it's related to a lot of detrimental health effects. As far as the cancer specifically, so the cancers that alcohol tends to correlate to are related to parts of the body that actually touch alcohol specifically, so like throat cancer, esophageal cancer, stomach cancer. It does also correlate to breast cancer, but then other cancers there's often found no correlation, and even kidney cancer there seems to be a reduced risk of cancer with alcohol consumption. And then other conditions that correlate to health benefits are diabetes, gullstone stroke and many things related to cardiovascular health. I was reading one study. It was a review of alcohol and cancer. It talks about how drinking, especially heavy drinking, does increase cancer risk, which is kind of like what she's bringing to us with this statement. But the study actually concluded that total, quote, total avoidance of alcohol, although optimum for cancer control, cannot be recommended in terms of a broad perspective of public health, in particular in countries with high incidence of cardiovascular disease. And I think that really speaks to her question because basically they're saying yes, for cancer control avoiding alcohol is really important, but if you take in the full picture, because of cardiovascular disease, having some alcohol and take might actually be beneficial. And then just some other last thoughts to it. So I think there is something to the context of especially like something like wine. So the role of the other compounds in wine, like polyphenols, seem to have a beneficial effect on our health, and even in the blue zones, which I know is hotly debated. But that's seven countries that are linked to longevity and six out of seven of them all include alcohol and some part in their diet. Something else, and I feel like I'm going all over the place, but something else important to point out is that gender does play a role here and what is low or moderate drinking, and actually Peter Tia had a really good episode recently on this that I can link to in the show notes. So it's recommended that women drink less than men, and there's two reasons were. There could be more, but there's probably two main reasons for that. One is that has to do with the hydration content of our bodies and how that affects the metabolism with alcohol, as well as what it's called first past metabolism in the stomach, and women actually, because of the levels of that in the stomach, we actually experience a quicker effect from alcohol than men do. That was all over the place, but a step back. Basically, I think context is key. What is the role of alcohol in your Diet? So, for example, Deni says that her father and mother are taking it to help them sleep. So that is not a reason I would suggest somebody take alcohol to help them sleep, because while it is a depressant and it...

...can make you feel sleepy, it actually can have a rebound effect and cause reduced quality sleep in the long term. I think the reason that you're having alcohol is important to consider. I wouldn't take it to induce sleep. Like I would not take it for that reason. I mean I would take it, though. Maybe she's talking about high cholesterol and the benefits there. That might be reason to include it in your diet. And I also think maybe reason that we see a lot of longevity with people who drink could be the especially not the heavy drinkers, but just people who have it like in their life as a part of a healthy lifestyle. I think there's a social aspect to it. So not advocating turn to alcohol for Stress Relief, but I think some people, especially low to modern drinkers, it's a part of their rituals, part of their lifestyle. It does provide stress relieving benefits and I don't think we should discount that because I think that can have a huge, huge effect on health. And I do want to mention because a lot of studies will find that, like I said, that load to moderate drinking is better than complete abstainers. That's a little bit confusing, though, because people who have stain often were heavy drinkers, so the data might be a little bit convoluted, and that it can be hard to separate people who don't drink at all from people who were alcoholics and just aren't drinking. Now, that was all over the place, Cynthia. I'll let you provide some perspectives. Yeah, you brought up some really good points and and like you said at the very beginning of the answer that question, is that there's almost always research that will support whatever prevailing philosophy you have. I do, however, want to be very transparent and say that, you know, one of the things about alcohol the lot of people don't talk about is people drink alcohol because they think it helps them sleep, and we know that it disrupts your rem sleep, it reduces Melatonin, it increases cortisol, it disregulate your blood sugar for people who suffer with hot flashes, it can actually make them worse. You know, the vase of motor symptoms a lot of people experience, and paramountopause and menopause. There's actually some research to demonstrate that alcohol, of course, is it is considered to be a toxin and it can actually shrink the hippocampus, which is the part of the brain that actually helps regulate the HPA, or the hypothalamus pituitary axis, which why is that important? Because this is our, you know, our main communicator from our brains to our ender consystem, and so you know, if this is disregulated, and for a lot of people it has been, and we tell with a lot of stress the last two years, and so a lot of the work that I do is helping people understand the Inter relationship between stress and the net impact on the body. The other thing that I would you know that I would mention that I think it's important about alcohol. As we know, it impairs estrogen metabolism, and so most of our estrogen metabolism occurs in the liver. We have, you know, phase one and phase two liberty toxification, and it's important understand that this puts a burden on the liver if you're drinking excessively and often make an actually impair or the way that your body packages up and gets rid of estrogen, and Melanie touched on earlier. We can get exposed estrogen mimicking chemicals and our environment, personal care products and food, and you layd in that on with a lot of alcohol drinking, it can really, you know, up your risk of things like fibroids and even breast cancer, and it's interesting a lot of the work that I do is looking at women's breast cancer risks. And so you really have to make the decision that makes most sense for you and there's no judgment from either of us about whether people choose to drink or they don't choose to drink, but you want to make sure that you're doing it responsibly and obviously, if you're drinking alcohol to help you sleep, it really isn't helping you sleep. And if you're drinking alcohol to help manage stress, we have to be thinking broadly about ways that we can manage that really effectively. And the last thing that I want to add is that, you know, I move from a very much a drinking culture. You know, the the environment that I lived in in my last city, and so I think for a lot of women there's a mommy drinking culture and just being aware, like building awareness about our habits and how that can influence decisions that we make. You know, the joke is, you know I don't drink alcohol because it's the only thing that gives me hot flashes and it wrecks my sleep, and so that's my personal choice, but obviously I work with many women who do choose to drink alcohol and I always look at it from a very objective opinion to make sure that people fully understand the impact of alcohol and just being responsible about it. I think that's the big takeaway that I would say that I think is important, that I love that, you know, this young woman is so concerned about her in laws and wants to help educate them about good decisionmaking and maybe it really needs to just come from a place of sometimes with men, I feel like if you're really straightforward and just let them know, actually, it's not helping your sleep, let's think of some other ways to help you sleep, that might be an effective strategy. I love that and and I also think it's important. I know something and I have talked about this. I think it's very possible to understand that alcohol may...

...or may not work for some people and maybe a detriment to some people, and still provide a resource to people that who do want to drink. So like like the drive from wines, for example, because, Cynthia, you don't, you don't drink. Right, no, I don't. I made that decision during the pandemic because I was like, you know, it's the only thing that makes me get hot flashes and it's the only and it just wrecks my sleep and so in my hierarchy of my life as a fifty year old woman, my sleep is pretty important. So because of that, the one thing that I needed to eliminate. And it's amazing to me, Melanie, how triggering that is for people. And I would say, like, I don't judge what other people do. We even had a party at our house last night and it made people uncomfortable that I wasn't drinking. I said, I'm totally fine, I'm here drinking my element electro lights and I'm great, like, I'm totally happy because I'm not going to go to bed dehydrated. I'm not going to go to bed and wreck my sleep. I'm going to hit the pillow and I'm not going to wake up until I wake up. Just it's a very interesting dynamic as I try to navigate, you know, reassuring people I'm completely, you know, fine in this space. I'm there are no issues that I have whatsoever. People choose to drink and of course my husband drinks responsibly, but it's an interesting place to navigate, figuring out what works best for us and the end of one, you know, that very powerful value of bioindividuality, figuring out what works for you or what doesn't. It's similar to, I feel, if you are doing fasting and you're not partaking in the food situation for whatever reason, that as social gathering and people, you know, can be very triggered or pressure you to you know that you need to be eating to enjoy yourself and because, like I'll go to especially if I go to a so not like a dinner, but like a you know, a gathering where there's food involved, I'll often just not eat, like I just rather I just would be happier if I go and then I'll eat later. It's so interesting out people like the social pressure. I used to really struggle with it, but now I just realize, like I don't know anybody anything, I can just do what I will make me feel the best in the situation. But social pressure is definitely very interesting. Oh, absolutely. Going back to the dry from wines, like so you don't drink, but, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but like, based on the conversation that we just had, I think we can both understand for some people that they do have a healthy relationship with alcohol and like so for them, like it's beneficial that we can provide a resource like drive from wines, for example, so for the people who do want to drink can do it in the healthiest way exactly, that have healthy choices. Yeah, and I think one of the things I did not know until, you know, I dove down that wine rabbit hole, is just how many contaminants or in wine and how they're exposed to so many chemicals and how most of the you know, wineries here in the United States really don't even protect consumers, and so that was something that when I found that out, I was like wow, and so I make I make good use of buying dry farm wines or family members or friends as gifts and just to try to introduce them to products that are certainly cleaner and safer. Yeah, so for listeners who aren't familiar, which I from wines, because it's really shocking if you think about it, like if you go buy a bottle of wine, there's not a label like at there's not an nutrition label, there's it doesn't show the ingredients. So you would think it's just fermented grapes, but it's not. Usually, especially in conventional wines in the US, they have additives, they have stabilizers, they have colorizers. There's something called Mega Purple, which is actually to make wine look more purple. If you ever had wine, especially fish cheaper wine, and you've noticed that it really stains your teeth like red wine shouldn't do that, like, not to the extent that it can when you're drinking cheap wine. It's not from the grapes, it's from this mega purple color additive, which is just shocking to me. So dry from wines. I am obsessed with dry from wines. They're all I drink. So they go throughout Europe and they find they won't even do wines from the US because they said none of the wines in the US meet their standards. So they find all of these wineries practicing organic practices, because there are a lot of wineries that are being organic but they don't have the time or the money to get an organic, you know, certification. They test the wines and then they make sure the wines are free of toxins, free of additives, free of mole free of pesticides, dry farmed, meaning they're not pumped up with water. The wines are also low alcohol and low sugar. So they're all twelve point five percent alcohol or less and they're all less than is it five or one gram of sugar. They're all low sugar. When I drink dry from wines, it's such a difference when I want to drink, quote, normal wine. If I'm like at a dinner or something, I'm like, Oh, this is so, you know, either too sweet or high alcohol. So I really, really recommend them. So you can actually get a bottle for a penny at our link, which is at dryfarm winescom. I have podcast, so and I as well, Cynthia.

I gift it to so many people, especially when the holidays come. I'm like, okay, I'm just going to send the dryfarm wines to all the people know and it's so easy. I mean it's funny. My husband really likes their reds and the thing about dry farm wines is you get like three bottles or you get six bottles or twelve bottles, and so they pick them out for you, and my husband, who is pretty picky about his red wine, actually he's really liked what they've been sending recently. I think they've really evolved because I've been promoting them since almost I mean a long time, and in the beginning I just think they've found so many more wineries that the wines just continue to get better and better. And what's really cool you can do. I did this literally yesterday because, like Cynthia said, you get a mixed collection of wines. You don't choose them. If there's one that you really like, you can actually email them and order that bottle specifically. So like you can do an order of three. I asked if I could get two of one and then one of another and they were actually out of the one, but they said that they would pick one that was similar to it and put that in there. So I'm excited. Do you want to hear a fun fact. Yes, I love fun facts. Yes, so I am speaking at event in July here in Virginia, which never happens. So like Unicorn Event in Virginia and it's me and Viny tortoige and Dr Philovadia, who's this cardiovascular surgeon who's like changed his life by eating a low carb lifestyle and fasting. And then actually todd white will be there. Oh Nice, I'll get to meet him in person. I've actually interviewed him twice, I think. Have you interviewed him on your show? I have not. It's like on our, you know, fall to do list, as I'm sure you know as a podcast. You know when you you have a podcast where you have people and we're like booking into December and some people want us to create other slots. And I'm really now that the book launch is behind me, I'm trying to be very deliberate about my availability because, as an example, I have three podcasts this week to record and you know, sometimes the UNICORNS pop up and you have to say yes. Like both you and I are interviewing Marxists in this week, which is really super duper exciting and it's just it's hard to find balance like I struggle constantly and one thing I've told my family is heading into the summer I'm just like I will. I'm always working in my business, but I'm only working in my business. Were in visible on Monday, Wednesdays and Fridays this summer because I want to be able to spend time with my kids and not be working constantly. So hopefully I'll get to interview him in the fall. From marksison was that? was that like a last minute? Was that spontaneous thing? It was. The opportunity came up. I was told he was in town, literally in the country for two days, and so I was like, I have an opening on Tuesday, I'll make that happen, and so it was that spontaneous. Wow, I wonder if the two days are because I'm interviewing him the day after you. Yeah, exactly, I think that's exactly what it is. And then I think he's out of the country again. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, so, yeah, when you have those Unicorn interviews, and one thing I think is really cool about I know this isn't relevant to this podcast, but I'm sure listeners like we've interviewed some people, we've had overlap and the others. We haven't, but I've listened to your interviews that I've done interviews with and we get different information, like if you're a really good interviewe you can get different information, like I'm sure you probably have interviewed people that they spout the same rhetoric to everyone they talked to. But I think we've been fortunate it that we've been able to interview some pretty dynamic individuals that really make interviewing them just such a blessing and such an amazing experience. You know, I'm so grateful and I'm so excited to see how both of our interviews go. I'm sure mark doesn't remember me, but I met him actually in at what not intentionally met him. I literally was not paying attention. My head was going in one direction of my body was going another and I bumped into him and he was very polite and I that's what struck me. was incredibly polite and I didn't realize, like when I ranted him, who it was until like I fan geeked after he walked away and then I was like, Oh my God, it just ran into mark sist and like cout does that happen? And he could not have been more polite. I Love I love that. Can I tell you what was my funniest celebrity run in moment? But I didn't realize, kind of like yours, that you didn't realize. So this is so funny. I was doing a really small little feature bit in a commercial. I didn't know much about the project and so the director came up to me and he said his name and I didn't really hear and then I said sorry, what was your name again? And it was like he said his name, then you like walk like a side and then I like specifically sought him out and said like sorry, what was your name again? It was Lance Bass. Well, I guess that's kind of forgivable. I think it's good to be humbled, like I really really think it's important to be humbled, like it's been my experience, like sometimes I go to events or places and ever one knows me and seems I go...

...to events some people, no one knows me and I always say to my husband, is usually with me, it's actually good to be humbled, like it's actually a good thing to sometimes said people not know who you are. It was just funny because I remember I said, what was your name again and he said Lance and then I walked away and I was like, oh, but I think that's hilarious. Like I said, it's good to be humbled. Right. Growing up I was very sheltered. So I was like in seeing backstep boys Brittany, like I was exposed to them through like school and like the skate rink, but they were not like in my collection. I was not like watching, like listening to their stuff at home. So so, okay, so I'm now curious. What does I was sheltered. Me, like, what does that represent? I want more information. A Very Christian, I don't know. I don't want to say moral because that sounds like if you're not moral, if you're not Christian, but that whole everything had to be filtered through, like focus on the family and like nothing sexual and apparent, you know. So things like Britney Spears and even in sink and all of that was not something I was I was listening to like the Christian pop stuff. Do you want to hear something funny? The very first time I saw Britney spears like on a video, I was like, oh my gosh, she's going to be a flash in the PAN. Really well, because you have to remember, like I was a different stage of life, I was in my s and I was calling, what is this, because it was so highly sexualized, like her very first single that came out that I remember. We were at a party and like the course, all the guys were gawking at her and I remember just thinking like, Oh, this is like, you know, every other teeny Bopper, teenage, you know, over sexualized singer that's out there. Where was I wrong? Like, because I know a lot of people can feel like they were suppressed or you know, that they they could be resentful. I'm not a rebellious type and I don't feel bothered by that upbringing specifically, but even looking back now, I'm like, Oh, yeah, that I don't think my mom was being crazy and like not wanting me to want, not wanting me, as like a third grade girl, to be watching Britney Spears is stuff like looking at it now, I'm like, Oh, yeah, that is a little bit sexual. Yeah. Well, and it's interesting because I view things through the eyes of a parent. Like my husband and I were making returns, which this is completely irrelevant to the conversation, but I'm going to share just to share, and the type of person. I'm now in a city where the shopping is terrible and so I buy a bunch of stuff online and I just bring it all back. And so my husband was walking around with me because I was making these returns, and there were a couple of young women that passed us who were probably teenagers, maybe, maybe early s and my husband was like, thank God we have boys, because I don't know what I would do if my daughter walked out of the house like with her boobs hanging out and like super short, like booty shorts, and I know that a lot of that's the style and it's not a judgment, it's just it was just funny that he said that because of course, with boys there's a lot less options for them and germinally there's not stuff hanging out when they go out. But it's very interesting, like viewing things as a parent, like things that I maybe weren't on my radar are my s and s and I now seeing I'm like, Oh God, that's bad meaning. It just it's like that's an oversexualized representation of what a young woman, you know, could be doing for herself, positively or negatively. Yeah, Friday nights were the Friday night skate nights, and I loved it because that's when I got to hear all the music, because it's really I mean it was like the it was like the prime time of really good, solid pop music. I mean like her music's really amazing for pop. He's so new, let's say. That is why I did not recognize Lance Bass. Is My excuse. I think that's a good thing. You probably humbled him enormously. High Friends, I am so thrilled that the moment you guys have been waiting for for so long is finally here. My sarapeptist supplement is available. So, after realizing the sketchiness and problematic fillers and questionable ingredients and quality in the supplement industry, I finally took it upon myself to just make my own supplement line so that I can truly feel good about what I'm putting in my body and you guys can as well. And, Oh my goodness, have I learned a lot and I can confidently say that my supplements are honestly the best on the market. 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Now, back to the show, okay, and then to briefly address deneats other question, and I'll go ahead and read the second question we had because it all ties together. So, Debrah, her subject was ldl hire since if, she just said, I've gotten my best friend to join me. And if, but after only two months her blood work came back then ldl of one hundred and forty eight. Previously it was completely normal. Her son, who wasn't ourn, told her that's why he stopped. If help research on this and then, as a refresher. So denat's question was about intermitten fasting for lowering cholesterol and actually advocating it to her inlaws. And did we have any thoughts about that? So fasting and cholesterol all okay. I think everyone by now knows my whole background as an MP for sixteen years was in cardiology, so you better believe I have seen a lot of lipid panels, both straightforward lipid panels which are tenerally total cholesterol, hgl, ldl, triglycerides, and then advance lipid analysis. So number one, you know I don't really worry about total cholesterol. In fact we don't want it to be too low. I had patients on very, very powerful lipid lowering agents and when their total clester Al got close to a hundred, if to remember what cleaves off of cholesterol, and that includes our sex hormones. So how many patients had a rectile dysfunction and other issues related to too low Colesterol? So you don't want to be looking for a two low of a total cholesterol. I'm not sure if she was specifically referring to triglysterides and HDL, which I typically see being abnormal, meaning triglystrides over a hundred and fifty, hgl for men being under forty five, women under fifty five. We know those are pathologic. With that being said, I do generally when I see someone with an ldl that's, quote unquote, air quotes, abnormal, I want more information and I actually don't think a hundred forty eight for an ldl is all that bad. What you want is more information. You want and advance lipid analysis. You want to look at particle size. This is super important because not all LDL is bad and I think we have to start really refamiliarizing yourself, and this includes healthcare professionals and the general public. There are a lot of physicians and nurses and nurse practitioners who are practicing with thirty year old medicine. I see it all the time, because I get this question probably five or six times a week. The first thing is you need more information, so you need to do an advanced lipid analysis. We used to call it a vap. I'm not sure what your insurance coverage will cover or even if your physician or nurse practitioner even going to order this, but it is generally covered by insurance. It's looking at ldl particle size. You want light and fluffy, you know, kind of like light, fluffy nonathrogenic ldeo cholesterol is benign. That's actually what I have number two, if it's small and dense and you also have can common at risk factors for cardiovascular disease or your insulin resistant or diabetic, then you've got work to do and generally first line of defense is lifestyle management. So can intermitten fasting be part of that? Absolutely. Have I read anything that suggests that you're you are going to have a worsening of your lipid panel relevant to fasting? No, but it's interesting. You know, I always think about Dave Feldman's work. So He's an engineer, entrepreneur and he is doing research in this area. He's changing the way clinicians are practicing because of the work that he's doing and there's actually something called a...

...lean mass hyper responder. It is beyond the scope of this discussion, but I highly recommend you check out my podcast that they did with him at the tail end of two thousand and twenty. He's doing a lot of really interesting research and there are a lot of people who actually, in a low carb ketogenic fasted state, will actually produce more cholesterol, but it's not pathogenic, and so I definitely encourage you to dig a little bit deeper get those advanced Lipid analysis done. They are covered by insurance. Not all LDL is bad and I want that to die a death on a hill, because there are a lot of people that are stressed and worried needlessly. The other thing that I want to reemphasize is we do not want our total colesterol to be too low. So when someone says it's high, my question is always quantify it. When you're sending US questions, please tell us how old you are and please tell us what it is that, if it's too high, tell me what that is. Tell me what the lab is so that I can at least slay my eyes on it. But I would say, you know, don't, don't not fast because of your concerns relevant to total cholesterol, which is bogus. Not Saying your bogus, but the the claims that fasting is somehow going to hurt your cholesterol or bogus. And the other thing is if you're told that your ldal is, quote unquote, too high, you want more information before you get yourself into a panic. I thought that was very comprehensive and you have so much more of a knowledge base about this than I do, so super grateful for that. The only thing I will add to it is that if you google, go to Google scholar, you can actually find a lot of studies looking at fasting and cardiovascular health. Ll put links and the show notes to one I found because it was about this specifically. It was time restricted eating to improve cardiovascular health and it was a two thousand and twenty one review looking at everything, but basically it concluded that the effects of fasting on cholesterol tend to improve parameters when it comes to that and decrease total clusterol. Even though I know said Theo was just talking about, that's not necessarily always the thing, but since I have a beneficial effect on lbl. Interestingly, some studies don't find sometimes don't find any effects on h deal. Not really sure what's going on there. But in general fasting seems to have a beneficial effect on our cholesterol panels and and something that people can experience is an increase and cholesterol transiently due to weight loss. So that can be something to consider because you're freeing up basically if you're freeing up all the stored fat and triglycerides, and it can lead to a transient increase in clasterral levels, but it's not necessarily doesn't mean that they're increasing over the long term. And then one other last thing I was going to mention what was it? We'll come to me. One thing I just wanted to say while you're thinking about that, is you think about the reduction and inflammation and oxidative stress and the improvement in mitochondrial efficiency relevant to v C V, eating less frequently and changing, you know, your macros is pretty significant. So that's just something to keep in mind. I think unfortunately we, and I say we as an allopathic trained physicians and nurses, many times just or so reactionary instead of thinking, you know, what could be going on. I try to be very, very respectful of my my peers, and there are a lot of people doing some tremendous work, but this is definitely an area of medicine and that I have gotten more and more outspoken about that. We really need to turn the tide and stop focusing on the wrong parameters. I thought of it and also I'm so glad that you said that, because that was something I want to touch on. Was I think it can be a little bit near sighted to just look at fasting and because, like with Dever's question, she's talking about fasting was the thing that raised her ldl, which unlikely to me, but the broader context of the effects of dietary interventions is just huge. Like I would look at Diet as a key player and your cholesterol. But the two things I just thought of. One was I interviewed Azure grant on the Melanie Avalo on biohacking podcast, for focus is actually ultradian rhythms, so basically the different time rhythms and cells, and she's done a lot of work that helped influence the work of or ring. That's how I was connected to her through heart great who used to be the CEO of Aura, but any case, she has a fascinating study where they tested cholesterol levels and a group of people constantly throughout the day, which is super cool. So like these people were testing their cholesterol, which must have been very unpleasant with all of the pricks, but all throughout the day and the fluctuations in the levels were crazy and every single person at some point during the day had a result that went into the pathological levels, even if they probably didn't have a pathological panel. The point of that is that when you test, like it was one...

...hundred forty eight, but if you attested, you know, at a different time during that day, it might have been completely different. So I think that's why it's actually important to be regularly monitoring these things. I use inside tracker to keep all of my data together and it's amazing because I can see over time. I put my cholesterol panels in there because we can get really microscopic and just see this one result and it can be hard to see the overall picture of like what is my panel look like in general? Where my moving? Where my trending? How are the different levels relating? So I have my cholester all levels since I started using inside tracker in two thousand and nineteen and looking at those graphs has been very, very helpful for me to, I think, get a more, I guess, telling picture of what's happening. But yeah, a lot of good stuff. I got to interview day Feldman sometime. He's amazing. So we spoke together at Kto Salt Lake and that was the first time I had met him and my husband got to meet him in person and Dave went on a tangent talking to me to a level that at one point I was like, Dave, you just blew my mind, like he's absolutely one of the smartest people I've ever met and just brilliant, like he's doing cutting edge research in relationship to ldl particles and cholesterol and he's really changing the narrative for medicine and I'm just so very grateful to have had the opportunity to, you know, speak with him and, you know, also be his friends, who I would absolutely encourage you to to connect with him. He's just so smart, like he'll blow your mind. You'll have a good meeting of the minds with him for sure. I'm so fascinated by all of the cluster all stuff because it is just so debated and there are, like, you know, some really intense camps. It's confusing. So well, this has been absolutely wonderful. So a few things for listeners before we go. If you'd like to submit your own questions for the show, you can directly email questions at I have podcastcom, or you can go to I have podcastcom and you can submit questions there. These show notes for today's episode will be at I have podcastcom, slash episode to seventy one. Those show notes will have all of the links to everything that we talked about, which was a lot of stuff, as well as a full transcript. So definitely check that out and then you can follow us on Instagram, I am Melanie Avalon. Cynthia is Cynthia underscore, thorlow underscore, and our joint account is if podcast. So definitely check that out already. Well, Cynthia, enjoy your trip. I can't wait. I'm so excited. I'll be posting as much as I can photos of our journey. But I'm really so excited and it's been a very exciting last six months, but I am ready to kind of disconnect and, you know, get rejuvenated. You know, we took a big vacation and December and I planned this like at the same time, knowing that I would need it, and I'm so glad that I did. Well, I am so excited for you. I can't wait to see and hear all about it and I'm actually I'm glad we're talking about this now for listeners, since Cynthia will be traveling. Next week we are going to air an episode that I did recently with Rick Johnson. Cynthia and I are both major fans of Rick. His work is so mind blowing. So get really excited because I think you guys are really going to enjoy it. So that'll be next week. So alrighty, well, this has been absolutely wonderful and I will talk to you in two weeks. Sounds good, my friend by. Thank you so much for listening to the intermittent fasting podcast. Please remember everything we discussed on this show does not constitute medical advice and no patient doctor relationship is formed. If you enjoyed the show, please consider writing a review on itunes. We couldn't do this without our amazing team. Administration by Sharon Merriman, editing by PODCAST doctors, show notes and artwork by Brianna Joyner, transcripts by speech Docs and original theme composed by Leland Cox and recomposed by Steve Saunders. See you next week.

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